I take it that this message is meant for me (and save someone else's time wondering who it might have been), cause one of my posts has been deleted (but my name is conveniently maintained) Well, I am not going to apologize for making a valid enquiry, and by using the best possible language i can and know (I even apologised and edited the message after the first post which i rarely do). And what kind of ethic are we talking about when someone can talk about Malaysian in general, and not making the point clear enough to be understood? I asked the question because i couldn't understand what had been said, and all i asked was for a better clarification, to avoid making vacuous comments about issues that i couldn't even figure out what it was. One of the reasons for having this forum is to discuss issues, and when one brings up an issue, it has to be clear, to avoid gossip or misleading interpretation, which is NON ISLAMIC. (Imagine what the PUBLIC would have assumed out of the incomprehensible message) It is not my problem when someone cannot express his or herself idea well enough, but it is an issue when one starts asking for a clarification, and then one's message is deleted for doing so. What's next, ISA?

Yes, what we say reflect who we are. And what you have done, as a moderator, reflects your close mindedness and failure to understand the ideological imperative of having a well informed discussion. What is ethical to you, may not be ethical to someone else, so, can you please stop playing 'miss goodie two shoes around the bush' and say it in a manner that I can understand, without any moral or ethical ambivalence? It seems that you are too eager to get rid of my post but takes ages to get rid of what is blantantly nonIslamic that has been posted before, or messages that even directly contribute to the annoying pop-ups - and that FOR ME, is unethical. Besides,if the person that the question was directed feels that my question was offensive, he can message back and say so. I would do the same if a message offends me, and that's what we call having a mature and responsible discussion, that is, if you feel the comment is offensive, you say so yourself. Only then you know whether or not you have crossed the boundary. That's what being a responsible adult is all about, that is, about taking responsibility for your own action. Do you need to do the thinking for us too?

There is a major difference between discussing intelligently and debating ad hominenly, and when you are in a public arena, you understand that you are being watched. I take responsibility for my own action, and you, as a moderator, know who i am, which gives you the advantage because i don't know who you are, so, rather than taking an action, and then make a 'general yet profoundly personal' comment about me, why not message me personally and talk about the issue? Why? Because you don't want to hurt anyone's feelings? Well, why did you leave my name as the last messager and there is no message left there? Is that ethical too?

What does this prove? One thing for sure, after thousands of public money spent on us to obtain education in the hope that our mind and heart will be opened, it proves that it is the money not worth spent at all.

What now? Ban me? At least i know that i am still a thinking person and I know that what Islam wants me to be.

Sort out your ethics before you even begin contemplating talking about ethics with me, because i know mine. Do you know yours?

Well, let's have an intellectual debate about THE ETHICS OF OUR FORUM.

Then...this will save you from sending this kind of 'reminder' again.

THE MARK OF THE IMMATURE MAN IS THAT HE WANTS TO DIE NOBLY FOR A CAUSE, WHILE THE MARK OF THE MATURE MAN IS THAT HE WANTS TO LIVE HUMBLY FOR ONE.